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		<title>By: Dom</title>
		<link>http://www.searchengineoptimisation.org/dmoz-time-to-kill-it-off/comment-page-1/#comment-1536</link>
		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is little doubt in my mind that what the author has written is true. It has been confirmed by so many different sources. My own experience has been a negative one I have to admit - been waiting over 2 years no and no peep. It&#039;s interesting as my site lists property - specifically vacation rentals. I look on dmoz and see a competitor site up - not simply the homepage but the pages for some of its individual properties! How can that be so? It&#039;s a clear breach of dmoz guidelines but it continues.....and guess what??? No competitor sites are being added.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is little doubt in my mind that what the author has written is true. It has been confirmed by so many different sources. My own experience has been a negative one I have to admit &#8211; been waiting over 2 years no and no peep. It&#8217;s interesting as my site lists property &#8211; specifically vacation rentals. I look on dmoz and see a competitor site up &#8211; not simply the homepage but the pages for some of its individual properties! How can that be so? It&#8217;s a clear breach of dmoz guidelines but it continues&#8230;..and guess what??? No competitor sites are being added.</p>
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		<title>By: S.E. Seoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.E. Seoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you email me. I&#039;m having a hard time getting listed on dmoz. Any assistance would help. Hope to hear from you soon.
   
- S.E.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you email me. I&#8217;m having a hard time getting listed on dmoz. Any assistance would help. Hope to hear from you soon.</p>
<p>- S.E.</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://www.searchengineoptimisation.org/dmoz-time-to-kill-it-off/comment-page-1/#comment-1474</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have tried to get on there for five years once a year I submit in that section, thats my niche section, my competitors have seven listings each (how funny is that) I just want one, quite happy with one.

---- Quote from reply forum post ----
Some volunteer will process your listing suggestion in time but we can&#039;t predict who or when that might be. Elapsed times can range from a few days to a few years. There is no need to re-suggest your website and doing so could be counter-productive because a later suggestion overwrites any earlier one. 
---- Un Quote ----

If you cant get it together in one year you need to be out of there, really is laughable, whoreing page rank for your own needs, nee to go now, going to apply to be an editor :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tried to get on there for five years once a year I submit in that section, thats my niche section, my competitors have seven listings each (how funny is that) I just want one, quite happy with one.</p>
<p>&#8212;- Quote from reply forum post &#8212;-<br />
Some volunteer will process your listing suggestion in time but we can&#8217;t predict who or when that might be. Elapsed times can range from a few days to a few years. There is no need to re-suggest your website and doing so could be counter-productive because a later suggestion overwrites any earlier one.<br />
&#8212;- Un Quote &#8212;-</p>
<p>If you cant get it together in one year you need to be out of there, really is laughable, whoreing page rank for your own needs, nee to go now, going to apply to be an editor <img src='http://www.searchengineoptimisation.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andy C</title>
		<link>http://www.searchengineoptimisation.org/dmoz-time-to-kill-it-off/comment-page-1/#comment-934</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of the points, there does need to be a change.  I have a family chocolate business that has been waiting 2 years for approval to get a listing.  That&#039;s ridiculous.  If the processing time for this directory is to be so long and so large then it should lose it&#039;s helpful ranking in the world order since it is favoring those who have been in their longer.

Everything in life needs some iterating and this system should go a) more open or more crowdsource, b) go paid like the rest w/ guarantees, or c) go away/go private/just become a human delicious..oh wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of the points, there does need to be a change.  I have a family chocolate business that has been waiting 2 years for approval to get a listing.  That&#8217;s ridiculous.  If the processing time for this directory is to be so long and so large then it should lose it&#8217;s helpful ranking in the world order since it is favoring those who have been in their longer.</p>
<p>Everything in life needs some iterating and this system should go a) more open or more crowdsource, b) go paid like the rest w/ guarantees, or c) go away/go private/just become a human delicious..oh wait.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.searchengineoptimisation.org/dmoz-time-to-kill-it-off/comment-page-1/#comment-912</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 03:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny - I never said he had wide ranging editing abilities. In fact I think most people who are not playing by the rules are more likely to be smaller editors, although that is speculation on my part.

I&#039;m not sure why you think I&#039;ve been &quot;duped&quot;.  I verified the fact he was an editor, and from looking at other things he showed me I am 100% certain that he has been selling links.  I was never under any illusion that he could edit any category he chose.

You are completely failing to understand the seo benefits of backlinks if you are saying nobody would pay $400 per link just because no humans are going to visit them.   Why are people buying links in old newspaper articles? Nobody is going to see them either, apart from search spiders - http://www.further.co.uk/blog/Express-Group-contacts-SEOs-to-sell-links-269

Anonymously - Like I said above, you are right that the damage this individual can do outside of his own small area of the directory is limited at best.

But when you have a lot of corrupt editors in the system, all these little areas of damage are adding up to something significant in total.

Personally I don&#039;t think DMOZ should pay all editors, why throw away money when people are willing to do it for free?  Charging for listings would allow a select group of editors to be paid, to deal with categories that nobody else wants.  The amount I paid for the article was insignificant (far far less than he sold a single link for) but I just wanted to disclose that it was paid for.

I would agree that very little deletion of listings goes on, as it is going to be extremely hard to defend if someone calls you out on it and asks &quot;why did you go in and delete something.com, its a high quality site and has been there for years&quot; - you don&#039;t really have a good answer to that. 

But it has to be very easy to add paid listings and do so completely without detection, would you agree? I think its naive if anyone thinks most of the corrupted editors are being caught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny &#8211; I never said he had wide ranging editing abilities. In fact I think most people who are not playing by the rules are more likely to be smaller editors, although that is speculation on my part.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why you think I&#8217;ve been &#8220;duped&#8221;.  I verified the fact he was an editor, and from looking at other things he showed me I am 100% certain that he has been selling links.  I was never under any illusion that he could edit any category he chose.</p>
<p>You are completely failing to understand the seo benefits of backlinks if you are saying nobody would pay $400 per link just because no humans are going to visit them.   Why are people buying links in old newspaper articles? Nobody is going to see them either, apart from search spiders &#8211; <a href="http://www.further.co.uk/blog/Express-Group-contacts-SEOs-to-sell-links-269" rel="nofollow">http://www.further.co.uk/blog/Express-Group-contacts-SEOs-to-sell-links-269</a></p>
<p>Anonymously &#8211; Like I said above, you are right that the damage this individual can do outside of his own small area of the directory is limited at best.</p>
<p>But when you have a lot of corrupt editors in the system, all these little areas of damage are adding up to something significant in total.</p>
<p>Personally I don&#8217;t think DMOZ should pay all editors, why throw away money when people are willing to do it for free?  Charging for listings would allow a select group of editors to be paid, to deal with categories that nobody else wants.  The amount I paid for the article was insignificant (far far less than he sold a single link for) but I just wanted to disclose that it was paid for.</p>
<p>I would agree that very little deletion of listings goes on, as it is going to be extremely hard to defend if someone calls you out on it and asks &#8220;why did you go in and delete something.com, its a high quality site and has been there for years&#8221; &#8211; you don&#8217;t really have a good answer to that. </p>
<p>But it has to be very easy to add paid listings and do so completely without detection, would you agree? I think its naive if anyone thinks most of the corrupted editors are being caught.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymously</title>
		<link>http://www.searchengineoptimisation.org/dmoz-time-to-kill-it-off/comment-page-1/#comment-908</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymously</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go back and pick a categopry yourself Admin and ask the op to add a site there, or as said earlier if you know their editor name you can check there profile. It&#039;s obvious to any editor that this guy does not know jack s*** about the director and is, as I said a small editor. That means any damage s/he can do is limited to a small number of categories, probably only one and even without an editor name will soon be discovered. 

DMOZ editors to be paid, can I just reiterate why? There are plenty like BOTW that operate that model. Strange we are still the largest human edited and still used by Google and if anything you say is true still commanding a high price to delete competitors and people pay for links. Not bad for a failing product.

Truth is people would like to delete competitors, but it happens rarely and when it does it is very soon discovered and editor and all sites booted. Yes there are offers for editors to be bribed, but to be any real use one has to be an editall and that takes hours of work, showing real commitment, to throw it awa for a fistful of dollars, some are stupid enough and usuall caught fats with the same result for editor and sites. Toi get editall plus means real dedication and without any payment, (what good is someone who can only add your site to a bottom category?) then suddenly after years of voluntary work money becomes important? Gets more unlikely.

If you paid for that article you were robbed. Except as noted above you got a few more views because you posted a load of twaddle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go back and pick a categopry yourself Admin and ask the op to add a site there, or as said earlier if you know their editor name you can check there profile. It&#8217;s obvious to any editor that this guy does not know jack s*** about the director and is, as I said a small editor. That means any damage s/he can do is limited to a small number of categories, probably only one and even without an editor name will soon be discovered. </p>
<p>DMOZ editors to be paid, can I just reiterate why? There are plenty like BOTW that operate that model. Strange we are still the largest human edited and still used by Google and if anything you say is true still commanding a high price to delete competitors and people pay for links. Not bad for a failing product.</p>
<p>Truth is people would like to delete competitors, but it happens rarely and when it does it is very soon discovered and editor and all sites booted. Yes there are offers for editors to be bribed, but to be any real use one has to be an editall and that takes hours of work, showing real commitment, to throw it awa for a fistful of dollars, some are stupid enough and usuall caught fats with the same result for editor and sites. Toi get editall plus means real dedication and without any payment, (what good is someone who can only add your site to a bottom category?) then suddenly after years of voluntary work money becomes important? Gets more unlikely.</p>
<p>If you paid for that article you were robbed. Except as noted above you got a few more views because you posted a load of twaddle.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 00:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the second part of my question?

So he can edit some small category and maybe duped you into paying him for a story. Did you check that his permissions add up to the claim he is making? Did you check out his profile?

Honestly that someone would pay $2000 for a listing in a directory that doesn&#039;t generate any traffic just doesn&#039;t seem likely. Or is it &quot;throw away your money&quot; week?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the second part of my question?</p>
<p>So he can edit some small category and maybe duped you into paying him for a story. Did you check that his permissions add up to the claim he is making? Did you check out his profile?</p>
<p>Honestly that someone would pay $2000 for a listing in a directory that doesn&#8217;t generate any traffic just doesn&#8217;t seem likely. Or is it &#8220;throw away your money&#8221; week?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 22:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny - &quot;The fact that you let him chose the URL to list appears suspicious, for one how do you know it wasn’t listed already? &quot;

He told me what category he was going to edit.  I asked him to tell me a url which was about to be approved, which he done. I checked and it wasn&#039;t listed, then he added it. 

Makrhod - &quot;and hide behind ludicrous claims of “confidentiality”&quot; 

How can you possibly say its ludicrous to use confidentiality? Any other guest poster has used their real name and linked to their website. Its pretty obvious what the outcome is going to be if this article was posted under the editors real name!

Canttellyou - I&#039;ll take that bet, don&#039;t see it happening at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny &#8211; &#8220;The fact that you let him chose the URL to list appears suspicious, for one how do you know it wasn’t listed already? &#8221;</p>
<p>He told me what category he was going to edit.  I asked him to tell me a url which was about to be approved, which he done. I checked and it wasn&#8217;t listed, then he added it. </p>
<p>Makrhod &#8211; &#8220;and hide behind ludicrous claims of “confidentiality”&#8221; </p>
<p>How can you possibly say its ludicrous to use confidentiality? Any other guest poster has used their real name and linked to their website. Its pretty obvious what the outcome is going to be if this article was posted under the editors real name!</p>
<p>Canttellyou &#8211; I&#8217;ll take that bet, don&#8217;t see it happening at all.</p>
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		<title>By: canttellyou</title>
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		<dc:creator>canttellyou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>soon all of the editors -  Blekko will integrate DMOZ -  and the junk will all be removed (quickly) with the report spam feature - then new editors will be excepted and ALL the old ones will be terminated (however allowed to reapply)

wanna Bet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>soon all of the editors &#8211;  Blekko will integrate DMOZ &#8211;  and the junk will all be removed (quickly) with the report spam feature &#8211; then new editors will be excepted and ALL the old ones will be terminated (however allowed to reapply)</p>
<p>wanna Bet?</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
		<link>http://www.searchengineoptimisation.org/dmoz-time-to-kill-it-off/comment-page-1/#comment-879</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 02:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that you let him chose the URL to list appears suspicious, for one how do you know it wasn&#039;t listed already? Or more seriously that he isn&#039;t just a small time editor with a small category that duped you into paying him to write this story? To charge what he claims he does for listings he must have some wide ranging permissions. It appears like you didn&#039;t properly check if that adds up with his claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that you let him chose the URL to list appears suspicious, for one how do you know it wasn&#8217;t listed already? Or more seriously that he isn&#8217;t just a small time editor with a small category that duped you into paying him to write this story? To charge what he claims he does for listings he must have some wide ranging permissions. It appears like you didn&#8217;t properly check if that adds up with his claim.</p>
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