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		<title>Comment on Contributors Plugin for SEO launched! by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 00:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, good catch :)

We&#039;ve removed it for now - playing about with a new design/layout so needed to remove plugins from the sidebar. I will put them back soon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, good catch <img src='http://www.searchengineoptimisation.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve removed it for now &#8211; playing about with a new design/layout so needed to remove plugins from the sidebar. I will put them back soon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Contributors Plugin for SEO launched! by Ash Nallawalla</title>
		<link>http://www.searchengineoptimisation.org/contributors-plugin/comment-page-1/#comment-1260</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash Nallawalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 00:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t see any &quot;Contributors&quot; block on the right. Do you need some? :)
(No, that wasn&#039;t a hint) :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t see any &#8220;Contributors&#8221; block on the right. Do you need some? <img src='http://www.searchengineoptimisation.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
(No, that wasn&#8217;t a hint) <img src='http://www.searchengineoptimisation.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Mahalo.com screw all their writers by Scurvy toon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scurvy toon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 01:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own work was referenced at mahalo I&#039;m told. I was of course pleased at first, but now I know it&#039;s been done for free on the back of my writing...

http://scurvytoon.blogspot.com/2010/07/what-os-does-it-use-windows-vista-were.html

The article in question . 

Time there was a way to unsure mor of us writers were paid ofr our work. As long as people think they can get anything at all for free cos it&#039;s on the net, we will be abused in this fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own work was referenced at mahalo I&#8217;m told. I was of course pleased at first, but now I know it&#8217;s been done for free on the back of my writing&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://scurvytoon.blogspot.com/2010/07/what-os-does-it-use-windows-vista-were.html" rel="nofollow">http://scurvytoon.blogspot.com/2010/07/what-os-does-it-use-windows-vista-were.html</a></p>
<p>The article in question . </p>
<p>Time there was a way to unsure mor of us writers were paid ofr our work. As long as people think they can get anything at all for free cos it&#8217;s on the net, we will be abused in this fashion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pagerank 9 links for sale by Too-Write SEO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Too-Write SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 05:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PR9 wasn&#039;t worth the money, but I enjoyed the porn *just kidding* it was in Turkish. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PR9 wasn&#8217;t worth the money, but I enjoyed the porn *just kidding* it was in Turkish. <img src='http://www.searchengineoptimisation.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on DMOZ &#8211; Time to kill it off? by Andy C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of the points, there does need to be a change.  I have a family chocolate business that has been waiting 2 years for approval to get a listing.  That&#039;s ridiculous.  If the processing time for this directory is to be so long and so large then it should lose it&#039;s helpful ranking in the world order since it is favoring those who have been in their longer.

Everything in life needs some iterating and this system should go a) more open or more crowdsource, b) go paid like the rest w/ guarantees, or c) go away/go private/just become a human delicious..oh wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of the points, there does need to be a change.  I have a family chocolate business that has been waiting 2 years for approval to get a listing.  That&#8217;s ridiculous.  If the processing time for this directory is to be so long and so large then it should lose it&#8217;s helpful ranking in the world order since it is favoring those who have been in their longer.</p>
<p>Everything in life needs some iterating and this system should go a) more open or more crowdsource, b) go paid like the rest w/ guarantees, or c) go away/go private/just become a human delicious..oh wait.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to get access to your competitors earnings and traffic stats by Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very sneaky - something I&#039;ll definately be looking at sorting out. The only problem is if they manipulate the figures? Ie, if they&#039;re only making $60 a day, but &quot;round it up&quot; to $100.

Great idea though and as I said, something I&#039;ll be setting up as soon as I can find a cheap suitable domain (obviously a brand new domain wont work!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very sneaky &#8211; something I&#8217;ll definately be looking at sorting out. The only problem is if they manipulate the figures? Ie, if they&#8217;re only making $60 a day, but &#8220;round it up&#8221; to $100.</p>
<p>Great idea though and as I said, something I&#8217;ll be setting up as soon as I can find a cheap suitable domain (obviously a brand new domain wont work!).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Submitedge.com &#8211; SEO scammers by Daniel O'Callaghan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel O'Callaghan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My client insisted on using them for a link building campaign last week, and her debit card that we used to pay for the order was fraudulently used around the world with 10 minutes of placing the order for £203 worth of services, totalling £8000 of fraud, we only new as we were contacted by the Bank, Nat West, UK Police and Fraud Squad who told us that Submit Edge are under heavy investigation for multiple cases of fraud with customers credit card details, and that the authorities in the US and UK are pressing to have them shut down!!!

Avoid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My client insisted on using them for a link building campaign last week, and her debit card that we used to pay for the order was fraudulently used around the world with 10 minutes of placing the order for £203 worth of services, totalling £8000 of fraud, we only new as we were contacted by the Bank, Nat West, UK Police and Fraud Squad who told us that Submit Edge are under heavy investigation for multiple cases of fraud with customers credit card details, and that the authorities in the US and UK are pressing to have them shut down!!!</p>
<p>Avoid</p>
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		<title>Comment on DMOZ &#8211; Time to kill it off? by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 03:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny - I never said he had wide ranging editing abilities. In fact I think most people who are not playing by the rules are more likely to be smaller editors, although that is speculation on my part.

I&#039;m not sure why you think I&#039;ve been &quot;duped&quot;.  I verified the fact he was an editor, and from looking at other things he showed me I am 100% certain that he has been selling links.  I was never under any illusion that he could edit any category he chose.

You are completely failing to understand the seo benefits of backlinks if you are saying nobody would pay $400 per link just because no humans are going to visit them.   Why are people buying links in old newspaper articles? Nobody is going to see them either, apart from search spiders - http://www.further.co.uk/blog/Express-Group-contacts-SEOs-to-sell-links-269

Anonymously - Like I said above, you are right that the damage this individual can do outside of his own small area of the directory is limited at best.

But when you have a lot of corrupt editors in the system, all these little areas of damage are adding up to something significant in total.

Personally I don&#039;t think DMOZ should pay all editors, why throw away money when people are willing to do it for free?  Charging for listings would allow a select group of editors to be paid, to deal with categories that nobody else wants.  The amount I paid for the article was insignificant (far far less than he sold a single link for) but I just wanted to disclose that it was paid for.

I would agree that very little deletion of listings goes on, as it is going to be extremely hard to defend if someone calls you out on it and asks &quot;why did you go in and delete something.com, its a high quality site and has been there for years&quot; - you don&#039;t really have a good answer to that. 

But it has to be very easy to add paid listings and do so completely without detection, would you agree? I think its naive if anyone thinks most of the corrupted editors are being caught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny &#8211; I never said he had wide ranging editing abilities. In fact I think most people who are not playing by the rules are more likely to be smaller editors, although that is speculation on my part.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why you think I&#8217;ve been &#8220;duped&#8221;.  I verified the fact he was an editor, and from looking at other things he showed me I am 100% certain that he has been selling links.  I was never under any illusion that he could edit any category he chose.</p>
<p>You are completely failing to understand the seo benefits of backlinks if you are saying nobody would pay $400 per link just because no humans are going to visit them.   Why are people buying links in old newspaper articles? Nobody is going to see them either, apart from search spiders &#8211; <a href="http://www.further.co.uk/blog/Express-Group-contacts-SEOs-to-sell-links-269" rel="nofollow">http://www.further.co.uk/blog/Express-Group-contacts-SEOs-to-sell-links-269</a></p>
<p>Anonymously &#8211; Like I said above, you are right that the damage this individual can do outside of his own small area of the directory is limited at best.</p>
<p>But when you have a lot of corrupt editors in the system, all these little areas of damage are adding up to something significant in total.</p>
<p>Personally I don&#8217;t think DMOZ should pay all editors, why throw away money when people are willing to do it for free?  Charging for listings would allow a select group of editors to be paid, to deal with categories that nobody else wants.  The amount I paid for the article was insignificant (far far less than he sold a single link for) but I just wanted to disclose that it was paid for.</p>
<p>I would agree that very little deletion of listings goes on, as it is going to be extremely hard to defend if someone calls you out on it and asks &#8220;why did you go in and delete something.com, its a high quality site and has been there for years&#8221; &#8211; you don&#8217;t really have a good answer to that. </p>
<p>But it has to be very easy to add paid listings and do so completely without detection, would you agree? I think its naive if anyone thinks most of the corrupted editors are being caught.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DMOZ &#8211; Time to kill it off? by Anonymously</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymously</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go back and pick a categopry yourself Admin and ask the op to add a site there, or as said earlier if you know their editor name you can check there profile. It&#039;s obvious to any editor that this guy does not know jack s*** about the director and is, as I said a small editor. That means any damage s/he can do is limited to a small number of categories, probably only one and even without an editor name will soon be discovered. 

DMOZ editors to be paid, can I just reiterate why? There are plenty like BOTW that operate that model. Strange we are still the largest human edited and still used by Google and if anything you say is true still commanding a high price to delete competitors and people pay for links. Not bad for a failing product.

Truth is people would like to delete competitors, but it happens rarely and when it does it is very soon discovered and editor and all sites booted. Yes there are offers for editors to be bribed, but to be any real use one has to be an editall and that takes hours of work, showing real commitment, to throw it awa for a fistful of dollars, some are stupid enough and usuall caught fats with the same result for editor and sites. Toi get editall plus means real dedication and without any payment, (what good is someone who can only add your site to a bottom category?) then suddenly after years of voluntary work money becomes important? Gets more unlikely.

If you paid for that article you were robbed. Except as noted above you got a few more views because you posted a load of twaddle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go back and pick a categopry yourself Admin and ask the op to add a site there, or as said earlier if you know their editor name you can check there profile. It&#8217;s obvious to any editor that this guy does not know jack s*** about the director and is, as I said a small editor. That means any damage s/he can do is limited to a small number of categories, probably only one and even without an editor name will soon be discovered. </p>
<p>DMOZ editors to be paid, can I just reiterate why? There are plenty like BOTW that operate that model. Strange we are still the largest human edited and still used by Google and if anything you say is true still commanding a high price to delete competitors and people pay for links. Not bad for a failing product.</p>
<p>Truth is people would like to delete competitors, but it happens rarely and when it does it is very soon discovered and editor and all sites booted. Yes there are offers for editors to be bribed, but to be any real use one has to be an editall and that takes hours of work, showing real commitment, to throw it awa for a fistful of dollars, some are stupid enough and usuall caught fats with the same result for editor and sites. Toi get editall plus means real dedication and without any payment, (what good is someone who can only add your site to a bottom category?) then suddenly after years of voluntary work money becomes important? Gets more unlikely.</p>
<p>If you paid for that article you were robbed. Except as noted above you got a few more views because you posted a load of twaddle.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DMOZ &#8211; Time to kill it off? by Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 00:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the second part of my question?

So he can edit some small category and maybe duped you into paying him for a story. Did you check that his permissions add up to the claim he is making? Did you check out his profile?

Honestly that someone would pay $2000 for a listing in a directory that doesn&#039;t generate any traffic just doesn&#039;t seem likely. Or is it &quot;throw away your money&quot; week?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the second part of my question?</p>
<p>So he can edit some small category and maybe duped you into paying him for a story. Did you check that his permissions add up to the claim he is making? Did you check out his profile?</p>
<p>Honestly that someone would pay $2000 for a listing in a directory that doesn&#8217;t generate any traffic just doesn&#8217;t seem likely. Or is it &#8220;throw away your money&#8221; week?</p>
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